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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 9:23 am    Post subject: Shiny Box mics Reply with quote

anybody familiar with these?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tell me what a shiny box is, and I'll answer your question.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[urlhttp://www.shinybox.com/[/url]

he's located up somewhere in the Northwest (area code 206)

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jun10/articles/shinybox46mx.htm

Compared to:

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/apr00/articles/royerr121.htm

I've always been interested in the royer for electric guitar, but I've always wondered if its genius becomes apparent only at high recorded volumes (cuz I track at really modest volumes). The price on the shiny box, by contrast, is really affordable. But remember what Ed Rei used to say? "Buy cheap, buy twice." The SOS article makes it seem worth the risk.

"Lifetime tech support" sounds pretty cool too. Damn, now you've got me interested. Laughing

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've contacted him. I'll let you know if I find anything useful.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, please do- I'm looking at the AEA R84 velocity... which I'm willing to lay out the cash... but if the Shiny Box with the Luhndahl xformer would have a comparative sound/response I'd be willing to try it (and save $350)

I just sold my pair of Oktava MK-319's (and it was a happy experience Very Happy ) and some other things, so I'm re-investing!

I felt I have too many LDC,s and what i need more is a good ribbon. I have the Karma K-6 and it's OK, but I'd like to try one of the studio "workhorses" or something damn close

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I felt I have too many LDC,s and what i need more is a good ribbon.


I'm thinking the same here, plus I'm more interested in dynamics than I was. Recently I've been tracking my guitar and voice sessions with a Shure 58 on the guitar cab and singing through a SM7b.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

my one nit on LDC's is they seem to really have a big field, whereas ribbons (and dynamics) are much tighter and don't seem to pick up as much.... extraneous noise
then again, you can't sing all that well 2 - 3 ft away from a dynamic...

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, but I'm always a foot or less from the mic when I sing. I love my LDCs for the detail, but I've started to explore other sounds which, even if they aren't as detailed, are just as attractive. Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 9:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

there's detail... and there's too much detail....

so what's your take on the differences in the models of Royer ribbons? any idea...as I don't have lots of experience, the markettng hype doesn't have much reference context

I mean the entry levels make about the same claims as the higher priced/name ribbons

It seems the Luendahl transformers are a bling-bling. AT and a few others have active ribbons (though I think my pres are more than ample for the task of a passive)

single ribbon, dual element, crisp/concise front...smooth back...?

what a fella to believe???

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know about the Royer, because I've never used one. Pros I've talked to on other sites have recommended the R121 highly, but another guy whose opinion I have a lot of respect for said this about ribbons in general: "...it's great to have a ribbon in your locker, but they can be a bit esoteric and not so widely usable as a high-end condenser or dynamic. The time to buy a ribbon is when you've got the other bases covered and can afford something extra with a different flavour, but which might not get so much use."

Well, okay...I'm pretty happy with my dynamics and condensers, so that's why I'm looking at ribbons. (BTW, I've been impressed by the reviews of the AT 4080 too.)

As for the Shiny Box ribbon, check your PMs.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why not try a nady ribbon, they're dirt cheap so if you don't like it you can throw it away, and laugh all the way to the dump, without crying all the way to the bank.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 2:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Then again SE sez they make a more full range ribbon, than the others.

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/RNR1/?utm_source=Google&utm_medium=PPC&utm_campaign=recording&utm_term=se_electronics_rnr1&adpos=1t2&gclid=CM-hnevV-K0CFQOR7QodYCnPug

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Much cheaper SE.

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/VoodooVR1/

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been looking at a lot of ribbons.... the marketing hype is difficult to cut through, seems most all are designed after someones classic ribbon (The RCA's are often indirectly mentioned).

Transformers seem to be of importance, but exactly how different the Cine-mag and the Luhndahl is.... Shiny Box said he'd gotten numerous feedback, the Cinemag favored the female voice, the Luhndahl the male voice

I want this mainly for voice, so the arguments for/against other instrumentation ... well more academic

i have an inexpensive ribbon... which is why I looking for something better. Is a boutique mic on par with a name brand production mic? Does a vintage model offer more warmth and "silky" smoothness?

how should I know. The studio I interned at many years ago had a pair of RCA ribbons, but as to what model they were I don't recall, and I never heard them compared directly against another ribbons... The other 'star" mics were a Neumann U87 and some kind of Sennheiser that was 'a big deal' and then there were lots of SM57 and SM 58's

Shiny Box buys the body and grill from China, but says all the rest is built here, by him

then there's the Oktava-modded Aphex 109... with shipping $450... is it any better/worse than the "more American made"? I've owned/used several Oktavamod mics. Jolie does a nice job 9and resale's not too bad on them!)

but the question remains... buy a modded, buy a boutique, by an affordable production mic, or bite the bullet and buy an AEA or an RCA, or an????

buying cheap gear was simpler... mindless perhaps and not well thought out... but simpler Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Stainless,

I think another thing to think about is low output of ribbons. I think something called Cloud Lifter is supposed to help.

Here you go.

http://www.zzounds.com/item--CLOCLOUDLIFTER

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've heard of these.

I have a couple of very good pre's which I think should handle the lowered output of a ribbon just fine

then again... i could be wrong!

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Know anything about Sonitronics (out of the UK)
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GT wrote:
Hey Stainless,

I think another thing to think about is low output of ribbons. I think something called Cloud Lifter is supposed to help.

Here you go.

http://www.zzounds.com/item--CLOCLOUDLIFTER

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The Cloudlifter's really well reviewed in November's Sound on Sound magazine. $180 for one channel, $330 for two. I'm thinking about it cuz my SM7b has my RNP pegged almost to the top to get a decent signal, and although the RNP's a lovely preamp and I can't hear it crapping out when it's maxed out, I'd be much happier if I could turn it down a bit.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 7:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[urlhttp://www.ebay.com/itm/CLOUD-CL-2-CLOUDLIFTER-MIC-ACTIVATOR-FREE-2-DAY-SHIPPING-GREAT-RIBBON-MICS-/350525015751?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item519ceb46c7#ht_3310wt_1325[/url]
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouk0Gh1NnKI

This is what made me think ribbons might be the cat's ass!!

Damn that's some fine sounding ocarina

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If he's telling the truth and the only thing he put on the sound was a preset Audacity verb, that's a really good result for a room that doesn't look very treated.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stainless wrote:
[urlhttp://www.ebay.com/itm/CLOUD-CL-2-CLOUDLIFTER-MIC-ACTIVATOR-FREE-2-DAY-SHIPPING-GREAT-RIBBON-MICS-/350525015751?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item519ceb46c7#ht_3310wt_1325[/url]


Yeah, good find. But by the time I pay for shipping to Canada and duty across the border, it'd be back up to $330. Laughing

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

and gifting doesn't work all that well... i tried that
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gifting doesn't work well even if the sender is on your side. When I say I owe you a beer, it's a massive understatement. Wink
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