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PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 4:41 pm    Post subject: starting from scratch Reply with quote

ok so i am gonna start building my own house. And i asked d construction guy if he could build be a seperate room, at back of my house, and he said he would. Ok so here is my question, how big should i do d recording studio, i was thinking maybe 20x20x12 what do you guys think?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 1:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You know...I guess it depends on what all instruments you will be recording and how many folks at one time.

For a one person place that is a goodly size.
I made do for 12 years with a 12 by 22 room.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wow thats awsome, yeah i usually rec one person at a time
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Generally you don't want a square room, otherwise you'rr prone to having serious standing wave right in the middle.

My current studio not including the control room) is roughly 13 x 25- It accommodates 4 players at a time, but beyond that it gets "cozy". And it's ample room for tacking individuals

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 2:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah a square room is problematic with acoustics.
I figure you will be subdividing the inside some , even if it is a couple of vocal booth, computer booth, storage type things inside to break it up.

there are a lot of plans out there for a studio that size because it is a common size for converted garages.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah, i will have to figure it out. i do want a control room, so ill be dividing it up. i wasnt sure to put vocal booths, i thought bigger rooms, are better more open space. What would be a good size for a vocal booth?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Me...personally...I like having bigger rooms for singing and playing, they just sound better.
I ended up making an airconditioned storage closet to put the noisey equipment and computers in and then ported the wires thru the wall to my mix position, then I built some smaller booths for amps and the occasional need to have a vocal isolated .

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Recording space? Bigger is generally better. Wood floors are good. Don't put doors in corners (it makes it difficult to treat the corner). No matter how well you design it, you'll still have to treat it, so do yourself some favors right from the start. You'll probably want some treatement on the ceiling as well with some space between the absorber and the ceiling, so opt for a higher ceiling rather than a lower ceiling. Also, here's a list of ratios for length/width/height I got from somewhere, and which you should seriously consider as a way of diminishing standing waves:

Septmeyer:
A - 1.00: 1.14: 1.39
B - 1.00: 1.28: 1.54
C - 1.00: 1.60: 2.33

Louden:
A - 1.00: 1.4: 1.9
B - 1.00: 1.3: 1.9
C - 1.00: 1.5: 2.5

Volkmann:
A - 1.00: 1.5: 2.5

Boner:
A - 1.00: 1.26: 1.59

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 7:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, treatment should be a main consideration and part of the plan from the get-go, and budgeted for.

+1 on wood floors. I originally had carpeting- the difference was astounding, not to mention housekeeping is easier on wood floors, aside from being careful not to drag things around

and doors in the corner make treatment options very limited

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tmix - so isolating amps sound better? i am just new to this construction stuff. I usually just go with GTR plug in, But i would rather mic up an amp. And how big would you suggest?

Dobro- thanks for ur tips, i will be using wood floors for sure. Smile

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 4:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You know,
I don't think it sounds better to put an amp in an iso booth, quite the opposite ,it sounds better in a room it can breathe in.
But with the folks I get to record, I am often presented with the problem of recording an amp and something else like drums or vocals or an amp and acoustic guitar and need some place to isolate the amp.
It is more a function of HAVING to do something for the musicians rather than what sounds better.

If you think you will always be able to record one thing at a time or go direct with things when recording multiple people then the booth is a cost you may not want to do.

What do you anticipate your needs to be?
Do you primarily plan to recod 1 person at a time?

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah i mean thats how ive always recorded, you know, start a scratch idea of the song, record a dumy track with a guitar. then record drums, then everything else from there. thats how i usually do things. i never record more than one person at a time.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Yes, treatment should be a main consideration and part of the plan from the get-go, and budgeted for.

+1 on wood floors. I originally had carpeting- the difference was astounding, n"


To be fair, treatment are a guess until the room(s) are complete and isolation should be the main concern in a new build.

Certainly there are "cookie cutter" treatments that are used with much success in home control rooms and tracking rooms.

But to build a room spec. out to the treatment as being the most required part is putting the cart before the horse.

Carpeting in an acoustic environment is often frowned upon, across the board:)

I know the myth will not go away that carpeting is a good soundproofing material and helps to make a room more acoustically pleasing....it isn't and it doesn't.

The proof is in replacing a carpet with either a hardwood floor(no sleepers but directly mastic'ed to the concrete) or the concrete that is part of the room...about the same, no sonic difference.

The only difference will be that the eye will fool the ear into believing one is sonically pleasing, one more than the other. Tests suggest this is not true.


But I agree with the rest of what was talked about.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brien wrote:
"I know the myth will not go away that carpeting is a good soundproofing material and helps to make a room more acoustically pleasing....it isn't and it doesn't.


No, but it can make the room more esthetically pleasing visually, and keep the room warmer in winter, too. Carpet's no bad guy.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's some good info to be had here, but when I was in your position, I spent a whole lot of time over at John Sayer's site:

http://www.johnlsayers.com/phpBB2/index.php

All you ever wanted to know about studio construction and more.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dobro wrote:
No, but it can make the room more esthetically pleasing visually, and keep the room warmer in winter, too. Carpet's no bad guy.


aesthetically maybe- but warmer? perhaps a myth- carpet feels warmer because we don't make the same complete surface contact as a hard surface (floor) and insulation value.... I'll bet there's not much difference between a carpet w/pad and 1/2" of hardwood flooring-

If you have carpetting and hardwood flooring in your house... and the house is at a fairly equal temperature throughout... why would the carpet be warmer? short of being on fire, it doesn't store (or produce) more heat

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It stops the heat from escaping out through the concrete quite so fast. And it's softer, so you can play in socks if you want. Or bare feet. Or bear feet.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 8:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I keep forgeting you live in the land of permafrost
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 31, 2010 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've taken out one of the carpets though, even though it's winter. It's opened up the space design-wise, which I like. One down, two to go and it's only just begun. I'll try tracking and see how it compares. Should be a bit more active with only one layer of carpet on the concrete, right?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would think you'd notice some distance, but with no carpets it will be a noticeable change
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