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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 1:31 pm    Post subject: Shopping for a microphone Reply with quote

Hey guys.

I didn't want to hijack the other guys thread. I've been looking at the AT 4050's on e-bay and they seem high for my $200 price range. I went into the local Guitar Center and the guy there recommended a Rode Mic.

NT1A for $229.00

Shttp://cgi.ebay.com/Rode-NT1A-Studio-Condenser-Microphone-NIB_W0QQitemZ320136670117QQihZ011QQcategoryZ41466QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Rode NT1A Studio Condenser Microphone - NIB - (item 320136670117 end time Jul-30-07 19:00:00 PDT)TU

Any comments on this mic?

Also I saw an AT 4040 in the store for $299.99. How does this mic differ from the 4050. (The guy at the store couldn't tell me).

Thanks for any help.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok...I figured out how the 4050 and 4040 differ. It seems the 4050 is switchable on polar thingys. It may be a bit higher in quality too.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh and what is the deal with the Karma 58 Tube microphones? Are these in a whole new league from Condenser Mics?


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry the application for these mics is mostly vocals and acoustic guitar in a stupid room.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I found this tid bit interesting!

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A microphone is a transducer. It changes one kind of energy into another. As a comparison, the human body has two transducers: the ears and the voice box. What you need to know about microphones can be broken down into the following word: TRAP. Each letter of "TRAP" stands for a mic attribute or a fact that you should know about mics in general.

T Type - Studio mics break down into two basic types: Dynamic and Condenser. Dynamic mics work on the principle of magnetic induction. They need no external power to run, are very simple to make and relatively cheap to buy. Dynamic mics come in two varieties: Moving coil and Ribbon. Moving coil mics use a magnet, a coil wrapped with wire and a diaphragm that sits over the top of both. Sound pressure hits the diaphragm and moves the coil across the magnet. This creates the voltage that travels out and along the mic cable on the way to the Mic Pre. A ribbon mic (like the Karma K6) is a bit different. Instead of a coil and diaphragm, a thin metal corrugated ribbon is stretched across the magnetic field. Sound pressure hits the ribbon and moves it across the magnet. Both of these mics have their own particular characteristics dealing with Frequency and Transient Response.

Condenser mics are generally more expensive and have a flatter frequency response than dynamic mics. They also operate in an entirely different fashion. For one thing, these mics need power to run. This is called PHANTOM POWER and is +48Vdc. Phantom power comes down the mic cable from the console, a battery inside the mic or standalone power pack. The phantom power charges a capacitor, which holds a charge in the mics' fixed back plate. In front of the back plate resides a thin diaphragm. When the diaphragm moves in relation to the fixed back plate, a charge is developed in relation to how much movement the diaphragm makes. Unlike the signal created by the dynamic mic, a condenser's signal is very weak and must be amplified before it gets to the console. In order to do this, the mic contains a small amplifier that boosts the signal before it leaves the mic.

R Recognition - To run a session successfully in a studio environment, you need to know your tools, just like a carpenter could tell you what his/her tools are. To achieve this, you must study mics in general, ask questions and do a lot of comparison.

A Application - Which mic for what task? Do you know the best mic for recording kick drum? How about vocals or horns? Once again, study is the key. Do your comparisons, ask engineers; everyone has their favorite. Soon you will have a bag of tricks that will serve well a studio.

P Patterns - The Directional Response of a mic has to do with how the mic picks up sound around its polar axis. The front of a mic is called on-axis; all other directions into the mic are called off-axis. When you talk about the on-axis and off-axis response, you are talking about how a mic picks up sound in reference to those directions. There are five basic polar patterns that mics offer: Omni, Cardioid, Hyper-cardioid, Super-cardioid and Figure eight.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a K-58- replaced the original Chinese tube with a NOS GE - truly a wonderful sounding mic for vocals (haven't really tried it for anything else)

I also have the K-6 ribbon which I'm also impressed with, but a good pre is a must as it needs some gain

I had a pair of 4040's when i bought the Karma's..... I kept one of them Wink works great for a drum OH/room mic

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This review makes me really want a 4040, although I've never heard one, personally:

http://www.mojopie.com/at4040.html

I own a CAD M177 that I love...you can get a M179 (like a 177 with multiple polar patterns) for around two bills. I recorded this with a M177 in my stupid room, for example:

http://www.recordingproject.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=6225
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used an NT1a for quite some time.
Hyped high end, hyped low end... almost fell apart (physically). I realize many people like it, I am not one of them.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

At $200, I think it's hard to go wrong with the CAD M179. It's extremely versatile.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 5:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Karma K58 Thumb Up Thumb Up Thumb Up

PM Kev and ask him.

Vox - K58 Lesson In Life - Kev
http://www.recordingproject.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=30835&start=0

Vox - K58 Riders On The Storm - Me
http://www.recordingproject.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?p=434393#434393

Karma Mics on Vox & acoustic
http://www.nowhereradio.com/artists/album.php?aid=5015&alid=-1

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 9:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I'll stand up for the K58 ... and I'm using the stock tube in it.

Another very recent one using it:

http://www.recordingproject.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=31000

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Harvey Gerst always says it like it is...........and he swears by his Studio Projects T3. Ted Perlman also thinks highly of them.

Locally, an engineer who's credits include some of the world's biggest names in rock/pop regards the T3 as something of a sleeper. Personally, I've been more than happy with mine on vocals and on acoustic in an M-S config.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've just talked to a store today about Studio Projects microphones and they said they were very good and there was a lot of buzz about them. ($200-300 less than AT 4050).

Anyone else have comments on the Studio Projects microphone? Are those the Chinese made ones?

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You asked about the Karma K58 and received three replies plus links where you can hear the K58 but haven't responded to any of it.

You may be better off trusting what the store guy tells you instead of actual experiences using the K58 and other mics.

Yes Studio Projects Mics are made in China and the T3 is a very good mic. Yes I've used SP Mics including the T3 which now sits in my mic cabinet because the K58 is a better mic. The K58 also is used over a Soundeluxe U195, Peluso 2247 & 22 251, Blue Dragonfly & Blueberry, Rode NTK, Neumann TLM 103 & TLM 193, Shure KSM44, and AT4050 95% of the time on vocals. Good luck with whatever mic you end up with. Smile

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can listen to a bunch of mics here ....

http://www.thelisteningsessions.com/sessions.htm
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

L J Max wrote:
You asked about the Karma K58 and received three replies plus links where you can hear the K58 but haven't responded to any of it.

You may be better off trusting what the store guy tells you instead of actual experiences using the K58 and other mics.

Yes Studio Projects Mics are made in China and the T3 is a very good mic. Yes I've used SP Mics including the T3 which now sits in my mic cabinet because the K58 is a better mic. The K58 also is used over a Soundeluxe U195, Peluso 2247 & 22 251, Blue Dragonfly & Blueberry, Rode NTK, Neumann TLM 103 & TLM 193, Shure KSM44, and AT4050 95% of the time on vocals. Good luck with whatever mic you end up with. Smile


Yeah...sorry I didn't respond in posts about the K 58 there L J. I did read them in detail and I'm definitely grateful for the input, thank you. I've listened to all of the links as well. I'll never trust the store guy dude. I'm just being thorough in my research and reacting to what is available in stores around here.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Knowing us the way I do, I'd trust the store clerk over us any day. Very Happy

I've got a Rode NT2a, an AT4050, a Dragonfly, a Baby Bottle, a CADe300, a K6 ribbon ... a host of EV products (former ElectroVoice manufacturer's rep here -- I sold the product to the guys in the music store) and a couple SM 57s.

I prefer the K58. So far, it's simply what's worked best for me for my voice.

The guitar is another matter ... solved with cheap MXL 603's that make it sing ...

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've generally found that GC store clerks are almost as knowledgable about the gear they are selling as I am about pantyhose.

I think the best way to find a mic you like is to try it out if you can. I have a studio projects B1 that I use on acoustic guitar and I use it when I'm singing in a very controlled dynamic situation. If at any time during a song I'm gonna belt it, I go for the sm58. I've only tried a handful of other mics so I really don't know what I'm missing.
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Sloop wrote:
You can listen to a bunch of mics here ....

http://www.thelisteningsessions.com/sessions.htm


Plenty more here: http://www.studioauditions.com/jamroomsessions_home.php

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This is a nice place too:

www.disney.com

Unfortunately, all their stuff is a little Micky Mouse ...

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I'm looking to acquire a set of wireless mic for home recording. What brand will you recommend and what's the price range like?






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Wireless mic for recording? Unfortunately, you're not going to get many replies to that as folks here will likely have nothing they recommend.
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Ah ... I missed the karaoke plug before my morning coffee was complete.
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Ah ... I missed the karaoke plug before my morning coffee was complete.

ah-ah ....... not just karaoke ..... MAGIC karaoke.

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