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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 4:53 am    Post subject: Ice Ice - Pressure Reply with quote

I know this goes back a long way, but I heard the song this AM and have to wonder but is what Vanilla Ice did even legal? can you sample the main hook of a song and use it as your own if it's less than a prescribed number of bars?

But damn, it's a ballsy thing to do even if it's legal. But what makes it really bad is that it doesn't seem to fit his song at all and just screams BLATANT RIPOFF.

Sorry to have opened any old wounds, this is one blast from the past that should have been left there.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 4:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh yeah. I forgot to mention he never credited Queen or Bowie on the 1990 release.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 5:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yo, VIP, let's kick it.

Didn't Queen threaten a lawsuit and settle out of court or something?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 6:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't recall the details from his Behind the Music episode, but I remember them saying they knew when it became a hit that they'd have to "settle up" some how with Queen. They knew it was a rip-off.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The rules for "sampling" were less clear in the earlier days of hip-hop, I think, because it really hadn't been done before. Beastie Boys "Paul's Boutique" gets mentioned a lot in that regard, in that they didn't get the rights to any of the samples they used, iirc. Making that record today would be prohibitively expensive in terms of licensing fees.

In Vanilla's Behind the Music, they show an interview clip where he says that they "changed" the rhythm of the Under Pressure bassline slightly. However, I imagine that it is too close and that "change" would not hold up in court.

There are other examples, not related to sampling. The Flaming Lips' song "Fight Test" was deemed very close in chord progression and vocal melody to the Cat Stevens' song, "Father and Son," resulting in the Lips having to pay some royalties to Mr. Islam. Interestingly, chord progressions can not be copyrighted, but in this case, the songs were close enough that the decision was made to split the royalties.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 8:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

scrubs wrote:
In Vanilla's Behind the Music, they show an interview clip where he says that they "changed" the rhythm of the Under Pressure bassline slightly. However, I imagine that it is too close and that "change" would not hold up in court.


Oh I remember that now. That was hilarious where he was singing the two parts. He like interjected one extra note in "his" part and said it was completely different or something like that. I got a nice laugh.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 8:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't forget he stole the lyric from some black fraternity. Or maybe it was from Spike Lee...
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 8:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yo, the Queen track went Duh duh duh duh DUH!
And my track went Duh duh duh DUH duh!

Completely different.

I love VI. He's my hero. Did anybody ever hear his aggro-rock version of Ice, Ice Baby. It's killer. Produced by Ross Robinson of Korn fame, it is really pretty good.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dethska wrote:
Yo, the Queen track went Duh duh duh duh DUH!
And my track went Duh duh duh DUH duh!

Completely different.

I love VI. He's my hero. Did anybody ever hear his aggro-rock version of Ice, Ice Baby. It's killer. Produced by Ross Robinson of Korn fame, it is really pretty good.


Laughing

I heard that track. Not too bad. He should have redone Ninja Rap, that was the bomb, yo.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ramen wrote:
Dethska wrote:
Yo, the Queen track went Duh duh duh duh DUH!
And my track went Duh duh duh DUH duh!

Completely different.

I love VI. He's my hero. Did anybody ever hear his aggro-rock version of Ice, Ice Baby. It's killer. Produced by Ross Robinson of Korn fame, it is really pretty good.


Laughing

I heard that track. Not too bad. He should have redone Ninja Rap, that was the bomb, yo.


BWAHAHAA!!! Ninja rap ruled! I watched that movie over and over just to see that scene with Vanilla Ice.

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