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rustyfingers

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Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 3:29 pm Post subject: Audition v 2.0

http://store.adobe.com/store/products/master.jhtml?id=catAudition 129. Dollars to upgrade 349. for newbs. Has ASIO and a buch of other crap I don't understand. My CEP 2.0 download was around 16MB this sum'bitch is 554 MB ... Thats 554 MB. I think that these guys have started adding useless code to make the program larger to discourage warez users. That's the only explanation for such a bigonomus file. _________________ message

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ramen
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Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 3:41 pm Post subject:

Interface looks cooler, but the upgraded features aren't really up my alley. _________________ a little misunderstanding? Galileo and the Pope had a little misunderstanding!

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FrederickRM
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Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 4:10 pm Post subject:

I'll bet they added smaples and loops. That's the reason most apps are that large. Or worse, they added DEMOS of their other software... _________________ Trilennium - electronic music Bedlam Abbey - Renaissance, Celtic, World music

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dobro
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Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 5:54 pm Post subject:

Samples and loops is my guess too. Aside from being ASIO-frendy, what does 2.0 have that you can't live without? _________________ I always find my way back somehow. I don't even bring bread crumbs. - MBrane My points are often wrong but they're always good ones. - Steve

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Lee Tyler
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Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 5:02 pm Post subject:

Well, the new features are documented for the offing all over the net. I never thought that the new automation utility would be more helpful than volume envelopes. Boy, was I wrong! What increased expressiveness I experienced on the very first test piece. BOOOOYAH, BABY! Worth the price JUST for the automation feature. And the response to the faders is instantaneous. Trial version just expired and I whipped out the plastic and ordered the upgrade boxed version for 129. Now, if I could only find some time to..... LT

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dobro
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Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 5:55 pm Post subject:

Okay, educate me. How does automation work? _________________ I always find my way back somehow. I don't even bring bread crumbs. - MBrane My points are often wrong but they're always good ones. - Steve

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Lee Tyler
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Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 6:03 pm Post subject:

dobro wrote:

Okay, educate me. How does automation work?

In MT mode and the mixer open, you can move your faders in TRUE real time and get the volume changes recorded as you want. I just touched the surface mind you, but this instinctive expressive ability to dynamically adjust your own music track by track on the fly is cool. Very cool. Give the trial a go.

LT

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lpdeluxe
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Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 7:07 pm Post subject:

That was why I invested the (small amount of) money, time and effort learning new software in v.2.0. That automation brings it into the 21st Century, which, oddly enough, means that it now emulates what your Neve console would have done in 1965....

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dobro
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Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 9:15 pm Post subject:

Gee, I've never used automation, so I'm talking out another orifice here, but it seems to me that I can get much more accuracy drawing volume envelopes on tracks than I can on the fly with a fader. I mean, being able to adjust the levels on the fly must be a skill in itself, right? Or is the skill-and-inevitable-error factor part of the charm? _________________ I always find my way back somehow. I don't even bring bread crumbs. - MBrane My points are often wrong but they're always good ones. - Steve

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lpdeluxe
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Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 5:24 am Post subject:

2.0 gives you the option of doing it either way. A lot of persons grew up using analog gear, and mixing on the fly from one deck to another, and for them (and, sometimes, for me) automation is the real deal. OTOH, as you say, there's the matter of exactitude when you're clicking on envelope handles. Obviously, this eliminates the issue of latency (either brain/hand or computer) in precisely defining fades and so on. I don't want to say it's a left-brain/right-brain thing, but it can be. Some people love the gestural freedom of smacking a fader and inventing some awesome new sound on the spot, while others prefer to make the damn machine do it their way. I do it both ways, but since I've invested in a Mackie Control, I feel like I'm getting a little more of my money's worth.

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Lee Tyler
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Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 4:38 pm Post subject:

dobro wrote:

Gee, I've never used automation, so I'm talking out another orifice here, but it seems to me that I can get *much* more accuracy drawing volume envelopes on tracks than I can on the fly with a fader. I mean, being able to adjust the levels on the fly must be a skill in itself, right? Or is the skill-and-inevitable-error factor part of the charm?

Honestly, I only used automation once, and immediately I realized that the "musician in me" instinctually felt a need to play with faders as you go.... as opposed to solely looking at envelopes for volume control. I can however see myself fine tuning my automation values via envelopes as normal operating procedure in the near future. I am sooooo behind the 8-ball in equipment! I guess I am in 1967 mode. LOL

LT

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sikter
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Joined: 13 Apr 2006
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Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 2:08 am Post subject:

I’m going to look very stupid but it’s not first time. I used to play with those automations things and for one particular project I really need to turn it off and use envelopes. But I forget how to do that!

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dobro
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Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 11:50 pm Post subject:

Hey I've got a question about the automation feature in 2.0. If you do levels on the fly with a fader, does 2.0 then draw the volume envelope on the track according to what you've done with the fader? And can you then tweak that envelope, fine tune it with standard volume envelope procedure? _________________ I always find my way back somehow. I don't even bring bread crumbs. - MBrane My points are often wrong but they're always good ones. - Steve

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sikter
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Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 2:44 am Post subject:

dobro wrote:

Hey I've got a question about the automation feature in 2.0. If you do levels on the fly with a fader, does 2.0 then draw the volume envelope on the track according to what you've done with the fader? And can you then tweak that envelope, fine tune it with standard volume envelope procedure?

It is possible but I never looked at it.
I know that software records those changes and gives you possibility to edit those envelopes if you are using an external hardware control for AA (which I’m not). I am sure it’s same if you do it directly on software.
You can record even PAN and effects changes while playing your tracks.
I found out about how to undo automation and now everything makes more sense. There are modes like read, touch, latch and write.
It’s been a while since I worked with AA 2,0. When I “played” with it last time I did not look at any connections between those two views. I will today when I come home. I was travelling a lot and didn’t have much time for my music lately.
I'll tell you something funny about me learning how to use AA 2,0.
When I made my first mix in AA 2,0 I was too exited and thought that I found nice “preset” for project. Then I made a copy of section and replaced all tracks with corresponding tracks from another project. Ha ha. Then I found out that automation is messing my envelopes and couldn’t remember how to turn it off. (I used just 5-6 tracks for training)

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sikter
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Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 8:01 am Post subject:

Hello again. I have tested it and it works. There was a little bit confusing for a while because I was aspecting to get main volume envelope to edit. That doesn't happen. There is another envelope which is in function after automation. I marked it with No 3 on my picture. Here you can view other automation envelopes by selecting at 5. 1 = main volume envelope (you can edit this one manualy but I wouldn't do both) 2= main PAN envelope 4= here you chose mode for automation Off Ignores track envelopes during playback and mixdown, but continues to display envelopes so you can manually add or adjust edit points. Read Applies track envelopes during playback and mixdown, but doesn’t record any changes you make to them. (You can preview such changes, but edit points return to recorded settings.) Latch Records adjustments you make to settings and creates corresponding edit points on track envelopes. Begins recording when you first adjust a setting, and continues to record new settings until playback stops. Touch Similar to Latch, but returns settings to previously recorded values when you stop adjusting them. Write Similar to Latch, but records current settings as edit points when playback starts, without waiting for a setting to change. You can protect from automation selected functions by pressing bottom at 6. I hope this helps See you!

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