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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2005 1:31 am    Post subject: hookup question Reply with quote

I'll be doing MIDI sequencing on my soon-to-be-bought system.
On top of that,overdubbing with both electric and acoustic guitars.
So my question would be if I need to be an expensive interface like the mbox or would something like the M-Audio USB 2x2 MidiSport be enough?
I'll also be doing vocals. Surprised
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PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2005 7:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

abounding to my question Ive also heard that connecting directly to a sound card avoids latency issues that might arise with external interfaces.This is why I'm asking-Ive read a book or two but cant decide on what to use.
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PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2005 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been using a 2x2 Midisport for 4 years and am not having any serious latency issues. You might check for a USB 2 version though - couldn't hurt to have a faster connection...

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PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2005 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What kind of system? A DAW with an internal Tone Generator and general midi sounds? All computer based? What will you use as the sequencer? The Midisport(I have the USB 2.0 version) is merely a USB/midi interface and doesn't do anything with audio as far as I know. There are other interfaces that include audio inputs, those I am not familiar with.

I use a TASCAM 2488 DAW recorder and have it sync'd to my computer that I use as a sequencer for my drum machine. That allows me to start the TASCAM recorder which sync's with Cakewalk Pro Audio 9. The pro audio plays the drum machine that I then record on the TASCAM. All timing is sync'd and everything plays perfectly except me.....I'm human. LOL.

Knowing exactly what your trying to do with what equipement will be very helpful to those trying to assist you. Thumb Up
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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2005 10:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im trying to do keyboards and pianos thru MIDI(I've the keyboard);and overdubbing acoustic and electric guitars.
On the PC as such I dont know yet what my basic sequencing program will be-I was looking at a few cubase programs on e-bay and some said they had the key,some didnt,I have no idea what that means but it sounds important.Wink
so if I buy the midisport,I'm left without a connection for the guitars?
What do you think would be my best options then?A fire?
If I buy cubase,how do I tell which hardware is compatible with it?
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william.
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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2005 11:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What you really need to be shopping for is a good soundcard that happens to have MIDI support. There are many. MIDI isn't all that tricky and you don't need anything too fancy. The most important thing in your case is getting a good soundcard to record those guitars...the quality of a soundcard has a great impact on the sound you can acheive when recording analog instruments.

I'm not going to give you any product recommendations, but an example of what I mean... I have a Delta 1010 which has 8 analog inputs and outputs, 2 SPDIF, and then MIDI in and out. I record my guitars via the analog inputs and have my keyboard hooked up via MIDI in. I can then use my keyboard to trigger software samplers/sequencers. I use n-Track in combination with Fruity Loops to put everything together (I do not particularly recommend this software setup though).

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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2005 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The key is important, because you can't start up the program without it - it's Cubase's copy protection system, aka a "dongle".

As long as you don't go really low end or really old on your hardware, it should all be compatible with Cubase. Maybe not Digidesign stuff though - I'd only get that if I were planning to use ProTools.

And listen to Slackie - he's really smart.

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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2005 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thx guys.
slack-I read somewhere that a soundcard increases latency,timing issues within a PC and that would be almost fully resolved by a fire interface.What do you opine Oh great leader?
So there's no way to get around the key thing?Because Ive also seen other auctions where seller says he includes serial number is auction.You see all kinds of things on e-bay,I was checking out a seller this morning who was selling a collection of software that he had copied onto 2 cd's.lol
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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2005 1:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No legal way around it.

PCI is least latency. Firewire and USB2 are close, speedwise, but USB tends to have lots of other stuff hooked up, where an FW card would probably be your only thing on the FW connection. so I'd say FW or USB2 are about a wash. USB 1.1 is WAY slow.

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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2005 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds good.Finally got that out of the way.
Now if I could only DECIDE on which sequencer to buy.
Cubase looks good and it does audio as well I'm sure.
Looks like this is going to be my choice.
I sure hope the delta 1010 has full-duplex capability-cause here I go looking for it.Wink
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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2005 1:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't get the 1010LT - it's TOO lite. The regular 1010 is good though - I think one of our boardmates (TheCrappyBeatle) is selling his now.

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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2005 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Features
10 ins and 10 outs

XLR Microphone inputs with pre amps

S/PDIF I/O, MIDI I/O, wordclock I/O

24-bit 96 kHz recording

Convenient and powerful routing possibilities

Unsurpassed fidelity

Superior driver technology

The broadest compatibility of any card

Zero latency hardware monitoring

Bit-for-bit accurate digital transfers via S/PDIF

Powerful digital mixing and routing

Control over SCMS (Serial Copy Management System)

wonder if it would compatible with any PC and if I really dont need a mic preamp for it.....could it possibly be that good?Smile
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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2005 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The mic preamp is pretty basic - a good one would be better. And unsurpassed fidelity? R-i-i-i-g-h-t...

Still, it's as good as the other stuff at that price point.

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PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2005 6:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now I hear that a soundcard is NOT really that good in avoiding/reducing latency and that it brings a lot of noise to the sound on your PC.Thats the info I got in another forum.
With so many contradicting opinions its really hard for a newbie like myself to get going and decide what the hey he wants to buy,you know?
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PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2005 7:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So then call your Delta an audio interface.

They are talking about consumer soundcards man.

If you know another way to get audio inputs into your PC by all means, go for it.

Until the magic solution is found you may want to try an *audio interface*.
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PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2005 10:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually,no.
I showed them a link to a card in my post so they knew what I was talking about.
All of this gets really confusing.
I'm trying my best to read and catch up with things,and save money by not having to go into the studio.
Two more contradictions though and I will have to do just that.
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