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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 1:12 am    Post subject: old mic, or new? Reply with quote

I unscrewed the ball off my SM 58 tonight so I could align its diaphragm better with the AT 4050. (Without the ball, a 58 looks much like a 57.) Same mic.

I also took the boom off my mic stand and put the mic right on the stand without a boom. Changed the mic even. An SM7b is just as good as a Rode NTK. Maybe better. The sibilance problems are all the responsibility of the singer. *Nothing* to do with the mic. Plus, the Shure offers a better camera angle. What's not to like about that? Anybody interested in a Rode NTK? It's a great mic. Cool

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 6:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SM7 is an excellent vocal mic, especially if you are recording acoustic at the same time with an SDC. Need a good pre for the SM7, lots of clean, high gain.

I don't fully agree with sibilance being 'all' the responsibility of the singer. Some mics, especially condensers and their EQ curve will definitely 'magnify' sibilance, but I do understand where your going with that statement.

I run into problems with sibilance on certain words, example -'it's' - my solution - don't use that word anymore....

So, if I have some lyric like, I don't know...

"It's such a bright sunny day, I wish you could come out to play"

I'd change to

"What a bright sunny day, I wish you could come out to play"

etc.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

what do you want for the NTK? PM me
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, I meant as a vocal mic. But it's got me thinking, for sure.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

so ... if you're considering a mic purchase for vocals..

may I suggest...

pick up an MXL 990 and have Jolie mod it

or an Oktava MK-319... and have Jolie Mod it

or try one of his mics (fits on a 22 mm body... or buy the whole enchilada from him (he does a really good job...and I am in no way affiliated with him *disclaimer

or a Karma K-58 tube and immediately upon receipt buy a RCA NOS triple mic black plate tube for ity (not kidding on this... stock tube is grainy)

as you seem to be a fairtly "non-screaming" voalist, the AT 4040 or 4050 may suit you just fine/

Myself, prefer tube pre's... and yeah...there's that strange quirk of mine that if you find you're always skulpting you're vocals on the an EQ... slap a hardware EQ on the input signal chain... if you always use compression... find a compressor that suits you on the hardware end of it...and be done with it

no point in futzing with you're vocals if you typically use the same treatment... yes, I suppose it's fine to slap the same FX on it... but why not record it 'right" the first time?

there is a reason the old guy/master/ well known name producers had the sound they had

and it was all hardware "back in the day"

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stainless wrote:
so as you seem to be a fairtly "non-screaming" voalist, the AT 4040 or 4050 may suit you just fine/

Myself, prefer tube pre's... and yeah...there's that strange quirk of mine that if you find you're always skulpting you're vocals on the an EQ... slap a hardware EQ on the input signal chain... if you always use compression... find a compressor that suits you on the hardware end of it...and be done with it


Yes, that's how I'm doing it and the unit's got just enough power to drive the SM7b.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 30, 2011 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

huh huh...huh huh...he said fairtly...huh huh
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 30, 2011 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

he he...he he...he said skulpting...hee hee
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 30, 2011 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

skulpter's done gotten into the giggle juice again!
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 30, 2011 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Straighten up, or I'm telling Brad.
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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 7:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You got me confused Dobro. You have an SM7 or not, if so what don't you like about it on vocals?

Others to consider are the Shure KSM44. The AT's recommended above are a great choice to.
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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 8:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got an SM7b, yeah. It's good, but it's nowhere near the 4050 for my vocals. And yeah, I'm looking at the KSM44A - I'm going to try to get someone to let me trial one. Otherwise, I think I'll just get another 4050 and stop screwing around.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 11:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do not know the 4050 well but if it is anything like the 4033 it is a good mic.
I also owned a SM7 until about 2 years ago when I sold it for a very decent price. Great mic for recording vocals, shouty and otherwise. I have used then to record male vocal when the vocalist is playing acoustic guitar to good effect as well. Vocal mix are very personal to a singer and getting the rightn microphone might take some experimentation.

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