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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 7:51 am    Post subject: Basement Dog Mastering 101? What's Your Weapon? Reply with quote

(If your screen name has the word "Massive" in it, please skip this thread)

I do my tracking and mixing in Reaper, but up until now I had been using Wavelab Essentials 5 to do some simple home mastering on my final stereo wav mix.

Well, now with Win 7 and a few other things updated, Wavelab will not run, it scans plugs and just crashes. Steinberg (burns my ears to say that word) wants me to pay more money to install the "update" that is actually an "upgrade" to Essentials 6. In typical brilliant fashion, they dont even give me a way to activate it or license it. So I said to myself, "F******K Stei******rg!" (Pardon my Spanish!)

So, the next obvious question becomes what other apps can I choose from that will do my simple home mastering? Mostly I just use Ozone 4, with maybe a touch of Sonic Maximizer or a Limiter, nothing dazzling.

Audacity is free but it doesn't really do plugins or have the versatility to burn a redbook spec cd for dup'ing, etc. I might check Izotope to see if they have anything like that.

Can I use Reaper to do this stuff? What do you people use for this? Is there some other open source app out there that will do what Wavelab does and will let me use Ozone and burn discs that can be copied, etc....? What about this DDP standard I'm hearing about? Do I need to look for that ability also? CD Architect comes up a lot, anybody familiar with that?

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Look - Being sore about things isn't going to help anything.

CD Architect is fine. WaveLab is fine. Don't worry about DDP (it's prohibitively expensive in most cases and some plants won't even accept it anymore). CD Architect is going to run you a lot more than the WLE update, so I'd start there.

Keeping in mind that I don't own a machine with Win7 on it - Isn't there some sort of "Run in 32-bit XP Mode" function somewhere...? Tried that? Not that I'd 'expect' it to actually work, but it might be worth a shot.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 10:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

no respect......
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 11:04 am    Post subject: Re: Basement Dog Mastering 101? What's Your Weapon? Reply with quote

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Well, now with Win 7 and a few other things updated, Wavelab will not run, it scans plugs and just crashes. Steinberg (burns my ears to say that word) wants me to pay more money to install the "update" that is actually an "upgrade" to Essentials 6. In typical brilliant fashion, they dont even give me a way to activate it or license it.


Let me see if understand this (I want to, cuz I'm looking at Steinberg stuff these days, and I want to know more about how they work):

Your version of Wavelab won't run on Win7, and Steinberg isn't offering a free fix, is that right? How much are they charging for the upgrade to Essentials 6?

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it was $60 or $69 maybe, but that may have been academic pricing....

CD Architect is running around $90.

Ya know, I don't really think Win 7 vs Wavelab is the problem, but rather that upgrading to Win7 made me update everything else I use, and I think Wavelab is crashing when it scans one or more of the updated plugins. And I am more willing to part with Wavelab and Steinberg than with the plugs I like.

Groove Agent was really what soured me on Steinberg, Cubase did not make matters any better, but I left Wavelab Essential in the mix because it did not ever cause me any problems until now after all these updates.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It isn't just Steinberg - M-Audio's taking flak from lots of its Delta users cuz the drivers for Win 7 don't work often enough.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And now I just found out that this upgrade of Wavelab Essential to version 6 will require a USB key device to activate. That's the other thing I forgot about that was such a hassle with the other Steinberg software. I do not want to go back to using a hardware key device. My Wavelab Essential (what would be version 5 if it were numbered, but it's not) was the last version that did not require a hardware key, I believe it was the only remaining Steinberg product that did not require it.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 8:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

what just happened?


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 11:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lt. Bob wrote:
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Confused


Yeah we got in on the middle of another conversation or something.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like Nero Burning ROM is a viable option for what I'm doing....I like the looks of CD Architect, but it seems like overkill for my needs.
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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2011 2:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Out of interest Wavelab 7 has just had an update which should have fixed quite a few gripes people have been having. (Win7 only)

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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2011 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the update......but Steinberg is no longer allowed to touch my machine in any form.
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PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2011 6:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well thats fair enough, everyone has preferences, personally I have had very good experiences with Steinberg software. A big part of it is having good audio drivers and a machine that is up to the task, technically.

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PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2011 8:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll never run windows 7 unless Battlefield 3 requires it.

XP is a solid OS - don't fix what isn't broke.

My mastering method is simple.

- Get a good mix first.
- Export it, make sure it doesn't go over 0dB. I usually aim for -1.
- Open it up in Wavelab, trim the start and end of the song, using appropriate fading and / or editing.
- A good VST plugin IMO is 'Finalplug', it's a limiter. I take a look at the songs RMS levels within wavelab, and adjust it's settings based on that, and the tempo of the song.
- I like using a stereo enhancer, a good free one is Flux STTool. Use very sparingly though, and often not at all.

Export to 16 bit, call it a day.

I've switch around softwares alot over the years but am back on Cubase 4.

I went through a phase of using Samplitude.. good product but had some odd things about it. Tried ProTools... never again, screw I-Lok.

I use wavelab essentials, good enough for what I do.


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PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2011 8:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whatever floats your boat ; )
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PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2011 8:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SafeandSound Mastering wrote:
Whatever floats your boat ; )


Exactly, sound and music is subjective.
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PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2011 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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A big part of it is having good audio drivers and a machine that is up to the task, technically.


I'm a programmer, I built the computer myself......so I have that, make no mistake......and Steinberg still took a big dump on my music at every turn. Never again....

Sounds like you have a good handle on the mastering thing, though.....

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Well I think computers need to be built for a job and I have built my own computers and bought a custom one as well and both machines work well. I think it is easy to blame the software developer in all instances when it could easily be a plug in's/audio drivers fault.
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Well I think computers need to be built for a job and I have built my own computers and bought a custom one as well and both machines work well. I think it is easy to blame the software developer in all instances when it could easily be a plug in's/audio drivers fault.


In all cases, when I remove Steinberg, all is well. Doesn't matter which one is really to blame, Steinberg does not have enough of what I want to justify removing something else instead. After all the produce weighed out, Steinberg was light on substance compared to everything else I use, so away it went.

My impression was they learned their lesson from Microsoft......write it so that it only works correctly 100% of the time if you only use Steinberg products and nothing else. The word "proprietary" comes to mind.....

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 8:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I have yet to work on any computer system that does not crash from time to time. There is a lot going on inside.

I am not a Steinberg fan boy particularly I just like how their audio products work.

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