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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 11:02 pm    Post subject: Zoom H4 Reply with quote

anybody have one of these? I just got one based on a "taper" friends recommendation...

any tips? Does it only work with Cubase? (I got LE with it)

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 6:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have been curious about them.. I know the H2 is getting some pretty good reviews. The 4 mic setup on the H2 is pretty cool.. And it's cheaper.....

The H4 has the external XLR inputs which is nice(with phantom), plus you can mix down 4 tracks internally.

H2 http://www.samsontech.com/products/productpage.cfm?prodID=1916
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 6:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dafduc has or had one!

http://www.recordingproject.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=27944&highlight=zoom+h4

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 7:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have it, love it. GREAT sound. A little imbalance from L to R, but good clean recordings.

Probably would have gotten the H2 if it had been out when I bought my H4. Don't really need the extra channels or the i/o options.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wanted the I/O so I can use the XLR outs from the mains on our mixer, otherwise I would have opted for the H2- the multi-track is something I doubt will see much use.

I'm still slogging though the 98 page manual...

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 7:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was hoping to get one this past Christmas but my wife had already bought and paid way to much for a Remo Talking drum for me . You have to get in your wish list by mid summer with these early shopper types !! Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 9:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This thing works great- still haven't had a chance to record via the XLrs, but here's a couple of "live" takes with it sitting in the mixer case at the convention center (very BIG room) 2-208 MAW

www.deltabreeze.net

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I finally got an H2 . I got that rather then the H4 because I just wanted simple . And the H2 can take up to 16 gig cards now . I picked up a 4 gig Sandisk HD . For now the larger cards are made by other , unknown to me manufactures so the 4 gig is good . You get about 6 hours of 44.1/16 bit and 4 hours of 44.1/24bit 2 channel recordings.
I guess half that storage at 4 channel or 96kHz . 48.0 also an option for video work .
The 120 degree xy rear mic pattern works real well out in front of a band . The 90 degree pattern is best for up close .

I used it at a gig over the Labor Day Weekend . I was pleasantly surprised at the quality of the recordings .

The first night I was recording some night sounds outside my house . Lots of backround noise . Turns out that the interstate 2 miles away comes in loud and clear on these hot little mics . The truck tire whines were stepping all over my cricket and kattydid vocals !!! Crying or Very sad

Oh , and make sure your monitoring level isn't to high with earbuds . A low passing plane sounded like it was going to land in my front yard !!

The light and noise pollution on the east coast is out of control !! Mad

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for this info " rudibass2 " i have been thinking of buying one of these gadgets for a while now :idea: just to play around with , i was interested to read how well it picks up things Shocked maybe too well to get a clean recording Confused: or did you have it turned up to max when recording the freeway ( interstate ) noises of the trucks ,

I know what "crickets " are , but what are " kattydid " ? it's ok i googled it , a katydid is like a grasshopper , they produce the "katydid" sound with their wings, cool. Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah , I had the mic gain on high and the level maxed out . No , not any mechanical noise like I've hear others mention about similar units .
Just every little sound that you don't really notice with your ears because its always there , really stands out when you give it a critical listen on your monitors .

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The H4 works best for me with the mics on medium gain... and even sometimes low- Direct inputs LO (as in off the board at a gig) or else it clips- That would be the one major improvement would be a level control instead of the 3 preset levels
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Recording my band I used the medium gain with the level at about 3/4 of the 0-127 scale , 90. I also set the limiter to "concert level " which is at about -12 db. Had the guys bang out some very loud guitar chords and it looked good to go . The mic was about 25 feet out front . The average recorded levels came in at about -24 with peaks up to less then the -12 range so the limiter never even came into play .


So the H4 has no more gain control beyond the lo , med , high switch ?

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

not that I've located for the direct in...but I'll admit I muisplaced the manual shortly after buying the H4


to me, all these things should work...like my toaster

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had time tonight to mess with more of the features of my H2 . Tried line in recording direct to disk and also via the USB to Daw function .

Recording line in thru the USB has a recordable buzzing going on . It's not there when recording direct to the H4 disk . Must be a grounding loop between the H4 while it's connected to the PC . Not really and issue for me since if anything I would use it as mic into the pc .

Stainless , I was thinking about your leveling and manual issue so I found the manual on line . Check page 32 . You can most definitely adjust your recording level beyond the l/m/h switches . I believe they are actually -20 , -10 , 0 db pads . The actual gain control is accessed in the menu screen .

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http://www.samsontech.com/products/relatedDocs/H4_manual.pdf


One other little fact . When trying to monitor a playback track out of the Daw while recording with the H4 you retrack the playback . Not at full level . Almost perfect for doing a voice over . ODD . Couldn't find a
" record what you hear " option to turn off .

None of this is a negative to me . I was just testing the options of the unit . I'll post a link to some sound files from a resent band rehearsal that to my " drummers ears " sounded great .

http://www.myspace.com/cliffandthemics

first 2 tunes were recorded at a first time ,new band informal practice/jam .

Open studio , untreated , 30 x 14 , with sloped ceilings . Recorded with the internal rear mics in a 120 degree xy . And yes , those are a Roland TD-6 electric drum set you hear . I have yet to record an acoustic set indoors . The Roland's are nice if not just for the fact that I leave the house for practice with a pair of sticks in my back pocket !!! Wink

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The stereo Mic on the H4 is brilliant, especially for capturing passing vehicles etc great little device. The only issue I've found is it is susceptible to handling noise.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 4:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use the mic stand attachment when I hand hold the unit . Helps alot to cut down on the handling noise .
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 7:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm an old dinosaur ..... still using a DAT-Walkman for location stuff.
But these look like what I want next.

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I use a camera tripod
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 1:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stainless wrote:
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Clever idea, i'll have to try that
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got one a couple months ago and loved it- at first. But I did find its limitation. Volume can be a problem, especially bass. You can only turn it down so far, and it will still clip if you're too close to a loud source. I found the reason here: http://www.sonicstudios.com/zoomh4rv.htm

I'm surprised that no one here had this problem...
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

maybe our bass player is quieter than most?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 8:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've had none of these issues with my H2 . I've recorded band practices and live shows with excellent results .

One heads up for USB mic's in general .

I just purchases one of those active USB line boosters from L-Com. USB cable is only good up to 5 meters . With this hot line boost extension of 5 meters you can plug your standard cable to that giving you up to a 10 meter run of cabling .

I wanted to use the H2 as a extra room mic ,6 feet in front of kit at about 5 feet high . Just to check the performance real quick and maybe adding it in if it improved the mix .

So I have it armed in a stereo track in AA 1.5 . The input meters are humming along at around -75 dB's at idle . Start recording at around -18 dB's RMS . All is good . Then one of two things will happen . The meters drop down to the -110 range or jump to -35 , at idle . When at -35 , of course the recorded track is clipping off the charts . The -100 plus is recording at such a low volume you need to amp it to hear the results .

Both scenarios are recording the same piercing white hot noise !!!
At first I thought the H2 was messing up . Then I took the line boost cable out of the path and all was OK again .

So I just ate about $25.00 for this cable that won't do what I need it too !!! Thumb Down

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All in all, it's a great little device...maybe I just need to back away from the stage. I did not have the same bass clipping when recording our band practice, my bass did not clip- but I don't play as loud as the jazz player in the live band I mentioned...
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