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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 1:23 pm    Post subject: need some advice on this.... Reply with quote

been thinking about doing a legitemate cover of a professional artist's tune and i don't know anything about the business end of things at all. can anyone help me out with some advice on how to get this thing out?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

what do you want to do with it.....

just post it for fun?...try to sell it?.....

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i wanna try and sell this one actually...otherwise there'd be no need for me to be in this forum lol Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HAHAHAHAHA....hahaha...hohoho...

Are you serious?

You would have to write the people with the rights or something I guess.
Do a parody and you don't need that shit.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.harryfox.com/index.jsp
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jake-O.W.A. wrote:
HAHAHAHAHA....hahaha...hohoho...

Are you serious?

You would have to write the people with the rights or something I guess.
Do a parody and you don't need that shit.


soooo glad i asked for you insight lol goober Razz
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanx for the link gidge Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 9:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, you just buy a licence to use the song. Works out to between 7-8 cents per manufactured copy (note... NOT SOLD copy... "manufactured" copy.... even if you give it away, or hide it in your basement under your stairs) for most song. The licencing agency (Harry Fox, CIRRA, or whomever) is essentially the go-between between you and them. The artist, by registering a specific song with them, has given permission in advance for the licencing agency to sell the permission to other artists, etc. For a %age, all the original artist has to do is cash the cheque.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 9:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry... just to add.... some artists will have their entire catalog listed with those registries; some won't have anything, and some will have only selected songs. It is not necessarily a function of how popular the song is either. You'll find some massive hits listed in there that you can use, and some artists will list only their minor hits. It's a total crap-shoot.

Here is the Canadian one, if there are any Canucks wondering where it is...
http://www.cmrra.ca/default.htm

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For example:

Song Title: SATISFACTION
Writer(s): JAGGER/RICHARDS

Publisher(s):


Note:
This entry is for MECHANICAL licensing
The publisher name(s) listed above may or may not also reflect the ownership of this song with respect to SYNCHRONIZATION licensing. Please contact CMRRA for further details about any territorial limitations for synchronization licensing purposes.


Mechanical licensing is required to make a copy of another artists song through mechanical means. In the "old" industry, this would be done by way of mechanical means, such as tape machines, or vinyl cutting. Now, if you use your own version of their song, then the 7.X cents per manufactured copy is all you need. I'm not sure what the deal is if you are using their actual recorded performance, but that doesn't apply to you.

Synchronization is for using the song "in synch" with another medium, usually video. You would use that for using the song in a TV commercial, or a movie or something.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

so does that mean if its not listed then the artist doesn't want to license it?
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 10:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

also you mentioned about "manufactured copy" is there anyway to know how much i'd have to pay for entire royalties because i plan to sell this as well...or does it vary per artist?
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 11:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kewlbns69 wrote:
so does that mean if its not listed then the artist doesn't want to license it?


Artists have no choice, actually. The license is compulsory, and can't be denied.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kewlbns69 wrote:
also you mentioned about "manufactured copy" is there anyway to know how much i'd have to pay for entire royalties because i plan to sell this as well...or does it vary per artist?


i believe it is 9.1 cents per copy with a 500 copy minimum.....

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From the CMRRA website...."Currently, CMRRA issues licenses on the basis of 7.7 cents per song per copy sold or otherwise distributed, where the playing time is five minutes or less. For each additional minute (or part thereof) 1.54 cents is added to the rate."

AFAIK, you don't make the deal with the artist, but with the publisher. The artist has given the publisher a range of freedoms in return for their services. One of those freedoms is to licence the song.

If an artist/publisher does NOT want to allow their song to be used in this fashion, they will not register the song with Harry Fox, CMRRA, etc. You would then have to contact the publisher who administers the rights to that song, and make your arrangements with them. One such reason is that they don't want the song used at all, or they want more than the standard rate to use it.

You pay the licencing fee for the song. The licencing fee is then sent to the publishing company who splits it with the artist. In the event that the artist does his/her own publishing, then he/she splits it with him/herself, essentially getting all of it. You pay no additional fees. Your part is done.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

one last question....i'm doing a cover but i'm completely changing the lyrics does that count the same as satire? the only thing that will be the same is the title maybe like "song title II" and the music.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Geez..... I'd hate to have to enter into a debate on when something is satire and when it is not. If it is an obvious satire, then you should be good. Think "Eat It" by Weird Al. I'd say, for the sake of $40, best to be safe and pay the licencing fee. Let's say you took a song.... say Constant Craving by KD Lang. (just to use a lesser-known title for sake of example...) Rewrite the lyrics, but keep the melody just for kicks. Call it, say, "Anybody Seen My Baby." You owe far more than just $40.

http://www.songfacts.com/detail.php?id=851

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

good to know man thanx for all the advice dudes -beenz
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